Stop Blaming the Wrong People

You know, this scuffle between all of you has been very interesting to watch. But I honestly feel that if you all created your own posts on this topic, you can get into an ever bigger debate that can help this topic flourish further more!

Noor WE are talking about Reforms and how your ideas of banning certain weapons outright doesn’t work as long as theres a steady flow of illegal weapons coming from our southern border. Most Gunn violence cases feature illegal guns, not legal guns. Any sort of restriction so on our 2nd ammendment or any ammendment is outright oppression. To fix the problems we need better border security and armed guards in every school not banning guns. ( this thread is getting really hard to type on so i don’t bother fixing my typos)

but why are some of you bringing up such irrelevant topics? can we all just stick to the main idea of school shootings and potential reforms?

https://www.creatorco.org/studio/political-blogs/one-school-shooting-is-one-too-many

Here's the link to something I posted on this topic seven days ago. ALL Y'ALL OPINIONS WERE PRETTY MUCH REFUTED BEFORE YA STARTED TALKING :)

Oliwia, what you're saying is completely unreasonable. Essentially you are saying that people who have experienced something automatically makes them and their voice more important. So, let me ask you, have you ever walked outside? Have you experienced hot, cold, rain, snow, any sort of weather? The point that you are stressing tells me that just because you have experienced all sorts of weather, that you can now speak in a more profound manor about weather, because you've experienced it. You're stating that anyone who's experienced something that someone else may not have automatically makes them more important. So, tell me, is every veteran an expert on war? If they are, then why don't we take better care of them? Oh right, because your buddy Obama didn't follow through with his VA reform. He did nothing for the people that served our country, but he took time to sit with the victims of a school shooting for hours. He left thousands of veterans on waiting lists, waiting for treatments, but of course he had time to sit with some distressed kids for hours. I am not discrediting what anyone has experienced, whether it be a school shooting or serving our country but you can't praise a president for sitting with one group and avoiding another

Oliwia, just because kids were in a school shooting gives 0 political standing whatsoever to any argument. Just because someone seen a plane crash doesn't mean they know more about planes then the next kid. It doesn't work. The kids have just been in a school shooting and don't have any statistics on the weapons and how they are used and how they are shot. They cannot input on what guns should and shouldn't be illegal. If that was the case us highschoolers would be able to vote, but we aren't. The left is exploiting them to get their political agenda pushed to more people. Haven't seen any pro-gun Parkland survivors on Snap chat's big news, or on CNN or FOX. Di spite most of the survivors being conservatives.

Therecreep i am not saying that people who have survived a school shooting are political experts, as i stated in my last argument, they just have a higher voice then we do, not higher than the government though. Kids are not as stupid nowadays sometimes, some of them are smarter than adults, i work in a program and we talk about this every week and our views and how this should be handled, in that group, there are actual intelligent people on there that actually understand other views. Yes some kids may not be so smart but some actually are. So Alaina, kids can be smarter than some adults so don't get rid of that idea because it's true.

lets restart this conversation so we can talk like professionals here

We're on about gun control. Noor, how do you seek to stop gun violence across the USA?

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We are not ganging up on you, we're simply sharing our opinions on a website that is meant for opinions.

BETTER WATCH OUT THE CONSERVATIVES ARE GANGING UP ON ME

I agree with Therecreep. Also, it is very difficult to type on here.

Noor, this website is optimized very poorly for PCs. Im having difficulty typing this. Just because someone misspelled a word doesn't mean they have poor common sense. We're all high schoolers here

Noor, you have not capitalized a sentence you have wrote.

Nah. but BTW this left media exploiting high school kids to push their political agenda is just absolutely ridiculous. Just because you survived a school shooting doesn't make you a public policy expert. And just because you read a couple of Vox and BuzzFeed articles doesn't mean you're smart either. (And to be honest, it probably dropped your IQ by a couple hundred points)

Oliwia, it is not my problem that you cannot grasp the idea that these children don't know what they're talking about. "He's gonna put some random bullshit in knowing him and it won't help anyone." its funny you say this, because as Luke stated before, Obama put in two laws during his eight years of time, which did absolutely nothing to prevent anything.

YOU DID NOT JUST TELL PEOPLE TO GET SOME COMMON "SENCE" LMAOOO. how you gonna spell sense wrong and rebuttal and then present an opinion? Alaina was saying these Florida kids are uneducated, but those defending her argument make simple spelling/grammar errors. what. a. joke.

get some common scen. and rebuttle me, if you can.

92% of mass shootings happen in gun-free-zones.

100% of school shootings happen in gun free zones.

if you banned guns, would people really stop shooting places up? meth is illegal and people still use that stuff.

Banning guns is infringing upon our rights as Americans. it would open a Pandora's box. Then other amendments would slowly start to change.

Uk, Canada, Britian, South Korea, Australia and Japan all have no guns and no gun violence becuase they have no terrible land borders with countries who will sell them illegal guns.

The crime capital of Europe is Sweden, who has completly outlawed guns.

The runner up is germany, who allows muslim refugees to come in to the country. This is why they have the most mass shootings per capita and the 2nd highest crime rate in Europe.

We're 15th in the world at mass shootings, the ones above us all have stricter gun laws.

What about countries that banned guns that have high crime? Like Haiti, Uganda, Mexico, Venezuela, Columbia and Ecuador?

Some of the low gun- low gun violence countries include: The UK, Canada, Australia, The Soviet Union, Mao ZeDong's China, North Korea and Nazi Germany. Lets be like those countries with almost 1 terror attack every 100 days.

Sources: Verified Wikipedia articles, NRA, Various reputable news souces such as Fox and Infowars. Paul Joesph Watson and other conservative public speakers.

Alaina, repeating anything won't prove your point. So, you're saying that all these kids are uneducated and can't take a stand for what happened to them? they can't have a voice because they were in a building thinking they were going to die? I'm not saying that they're experts but you do realize that trump is clueless to a school shooting because he's never been in one. These kids experienced how it feels like and how traumatizing it is. Trump doesn't take the time to talk to these students that have actual experience and how to actually make the law useful. He's gonna put some random bullshit in knowing him and it won't help anyone. Those kids in Florida and other kids that have experienced a school shooting should have a higher voice for this because they know how it feels, Trump and the government doesn't know how that feels now do they? if you pay attention to Evelyn's comment than fighting me, answer some really important and valid questions she has instead of just ignoring them.

Oliwia, it is not the president's job to sit and listen to victims. Yes, it is definitely important for Trump to be aware of all the details and know all the facts about the tragedy that occured, but he has no obligation to sit with these people for hours. Yes, what Obama did for the victims was nice and all, but he did not HAVE to do that. Listening and sitting with these students to hear them out is the job of a grief counselor, not the president. And i do have to disagree with where you say that the students are being smart about it, because once again, I will bring back the quote i stated before, "President Trump, you control the House of Representatives, you control the Senate, and you control the Executive, you haven't taken a single bill for mental healthcare or gun control and passed it,". I am bringing this back because again, it proves my point that these children are uneducated. I will state once again that just because these students are victims of something tragic, it does not make them experts on the matter.

What's funny is everyone seems to think that banning guns would help our situation. I mean come on, do you really think that if we passed a law that banned guns every criminal in America would say "Aw, man! I guess I can't rob banks or kill people anymore, guns are banned now!" Of course not. In fact, it would make it EASIER to kill people. Because who will turn in their guns? The good people who follow the laws of our country. Then innocents will be left defenseless. Same as the "gun free zone" idea. Do you think a thief will walk up to the bank and see a "no guns" sign and say "Oh, gosh golly darn! It seems I can't rob this bank!" No, they will think "Hey, no one in this bank will have a gun, so they can't stop me!" Just something to think about.

okay sweeties, would y'all want a president who stays with you for hours after you've been in a school shooting or with someone who stays for a few minutes and then goes to a party? Trump isn't doing anything about this situation and Obama tried, trump is just sitting back and watching all this stuff happen. And alaina, i never said that the hispanics and african americans were doing better with trump. No article can help prove that Trump is trying to do something and actually cares for his victims. The victims wouldn't want some useless tweet sending "his thoughts and prayers." they actually need him to actually try, the only people taking action is the students, they're actually being smart about it. The government wants to give teachers guns, what if the teacher is racist or insane? they'd probably shoot a kid, what if a kid got a hold of it? it's not safe.

OH HEY, you're that one person that trusts wikipedia! That's rare. Nice try though, I got mine from a legitimate source but still good job.

Oh honey.

Oh sweetie... Please check your facts again... @ljhogan98

Hello Oliwia, thanks for commenting.

Thank you for bringing up Obama, because I'd like to take a look at what Obama has done for America vs what Trump has done for America. I'd like to pull a quote from the Fox News website, article titled, "Trump keeps his promise: Blacks and Hispanics do better with him than Obama" published January 6th, 2018. It states, "Since taking the reins from President Obama, President Trump and the GOP-controlled Congress have embraced free-market and pro-liberty economic policies. Now – after a year of reducing regulations, approving a tax cut, and encouraging stricter standards for numerous welfare programs at the state level – the economy is thriving. Working-age minorities are benefitting in ways they have rarely, if ever, have enjoyed in the modern era.". Another quote being, "Unlike the Obama administration, which added more than 20,000 new regulations over eight years, President Trump has slashed unneeded regulations, freeing up businesses to operate without the burden of an overbearing national government.

“Within the first 11 months, we canceled or delayed over 1,500 planned regulatory actions, more than any previous president, by far,” President Trump said  in December. “And you see the results, when you look at the stock market, the results of companies, and when you see companies coming back into our country.” The Trump administration says its cut in regulations will amount to a savings of $8.1 billion in net regulatory costs. Business can use a big chunk of those savings to create yet more jobs." Now, Oliwia, I'm not sure what's more important to you, being nice, or actually improving the country, but personally, I believe in improving America.

You know, you all are bringing up points that should be said in further detail. I propose that you all post a post about what you think. This way you can present your ideas in further detail.

but you can't blame Obama for not passing any laws... Congress was republican, and basically refused to pass and laws proposed by Obama.

Im sorry Lauren, when was the last time you heard of ISIS? Oh that’s right Trump and the military wiped them almost completely out.

You’re right Oliwia. Let’s take it how Obama did. The president that had the most school shootings of any president. You’re right let’s have Trump do the exact same thing as him, because it seems like he was really

helping. What did Obama do to stop

Gun violence: made 2 laws in his 8 years. Those laws clearly did not stop anyone from shooting up schools.

I'm sorry sweetie but just because Trump doesn't have anything to do with this in your opinion, the government still has to deal with this in a positive way, take how Obama took care of shootings, he sat in a room for hours talking with the victims and comforting them and what does Trump do? He talks with them for a couple minutes and then goes out to a party. That's not okay for a president to do and things here are mostly run by some imbecile that doesn't know how to do anything properly, so before you say this, think about everything instead of just running your mouth

Evelyn Honsana, we are not the only ones that have a gun problem. In fact, Brazil, Columbia, Panama, Guatemala, Jamaica, Venezuela(almost 6 times more), Uruguay all have more death by guns for every 100,000 people.

Hello Noor, thank you for commenting.

I stated that yes, these news stations are pulling high school students to openly express their views on gun control, but what I also said were that these students are uneducated. I quoted a student saying, "President Trump, you control the House of Representatives, you control the Senate, and you control the Executive, you haven't taken a single bill for mental healthcare or gun control and passed it,". I followed that up with saying that no, Trump does not control the House, nor does he control the Senate, as they are independent branches of government. What I meant to stress through this was that just because these kids from Parkland have been targeted and have been made victim of something tragic, it does not make them experts on gun control, as it does not make their opinions any more valuable than it would of the opinion from your neighbor.

Hey Alaina, I really liked how open you are about your opinion, however I have a question for you. I agree with you that I'm not blaming the gun for this incident, because guns are inanimate objects and I'm not blaming Trump himself, however I would love for you to clear up this question I've had since this incident. If America isn't to blame for our extremely lax and or loose gun laws, then why is America (AKA the place that basically everyone in the world WANTED to come to for refuge and freedom) the ONLY country in the world that has this issue? And if not the only country, then the country that has the HIGHEST rate of school shootings. The only country that has spilled the blood of many innocent children with lives to live and dreams/goals to achieve only to be murdered by children themselves who had access to these guns. Maybe the gun laws aren't to blame, maybe we as Americans should fund psychiatric help if you are so sure that it was the child to blame, which he was. However, in what other way do you think America could have prevented this issue? Please answer those, thanks, because I have no idea if I am just going crazy for not understand. In my opinion, I find it outrageous that it took America this long to finally do something about school shootings since they have been happening for an absurd amount of time. I may be "following social norms," but in my eyes, at least I'm looking at reality instead of hiding behind a curtain not caring.

i’m not done reading this, but lmfao how are you gonna complain that news stations are pulling out high school students to talk when you yourself, a high school student, are openly sharing your opinion? personally, i dont have an issue with it, but you cant just come here and bash a bunch of people for being open and then do the exact same thing...